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Uwe Kulick: /* Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture */

2026-05-21T14:23:00Z

‎Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture

Uwe Kulick: /* Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture */

2026-05-21T14:19:19Z

‎Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture

Free Fan: /* Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture */

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‎Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture

Free Fan at 13:54, 21 May 2026

2026-05-21T13:54:47Z

Sloyment: Created page with "==🙄 Oh dear…== This does not make sense!!! * The '''Fan-Domain License''' F-DL (not to confuse with FDL !!!) is a variant of the Public Domain status o..."

2026-05-21T00:36:28Z

Created page with "==🙄 Oh dear…== This does not make sense!!! * The '''Fan-Domain License''' F-DL <small>(not to confuse with FDL !!!)</small> is a variant of the Public Domain status o..."

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==🙄 Oh dear…==
This does not make sense!!!
* The '''Fan-Domain License''' F-DL <small>(not to confuse with FDL !!!)</small> is a variant of the [[Public Domain]] status of a lyrical work like a song, a ballad or a poem.
→ Public Domain is the absense of copyright. There are no variants of Public Domain, and a license is not a variant of the Public Domain status. A license is a contract that grants rights. This here is not a license, as no rights are granted…
* addresses NOT the whole world's people as the ones allowed to use the F-DL-licensed artwork freely
→ This contradicts the definition of Free Cultural Works.
* It addresses ONLY the friends and fans of a certain set of people, and those speakers or singers who recite or sing the F-DL artwork by order of that set of people and/or its fans and friends.
→ Completely vague. In order to make sense of it, you need further information on that “further set of people”.

These formal issues aside, have you really thought the implications of this license idea through? If you apply this to your football song, and you only allow fans of your club to use the song, that would mean:
* Only those fans are allowed to copy and distribute the song. Everyone else → copyright violation!
* Only those fans are allowed to sing the song in public. Everyone else → copyright violation!
To me, this doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t it be nice if people spread and sing this song for your club, even if they are not fans? -- [[User:Sloyment|Sloyment]] ([[User talk:Sloyment|talk]]) 02:36, 21 May 2026 (CEST)

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 == Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture ==
-The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over by other clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of thar repertoire it is a bit annoying
+The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over by other clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of that repertoire it is a bit annoying
 A Fan Domain License wants to preserve original own fan songs of a fanbase for the use of this group of people. In [[Talk:Der Jäger aus Kurpfalz]] I give a link to the download of the first F-DL-licensed original work, a text variation of the Kurpfalz heritage folksong "Ein Jäger aus Kurpfalz" which itself is public domain by age, but text variations might also have the character of a work. The new license is made to encourage members of a fanbase to sing the text variant specifically written for that fanbase with no fear to violate copyright! An it shall encourage fanbases of other clubs in Kurpfalz not to take Sandhausen's song variant, but, if they are jealous on the idea to rewrite the famous Kurpfalz song, they should better start with rewriting the text of "Jäger aus Kurpfalz" from scratch instead of simply copying Sandhausen's text variant by replacing just the club name. The "heja, heja" is specifically Sandhausen tradition and should be respected, and other details of the new text are too much sandhausen-linked, worth to preserve the text variation for the one fanbase of SV Sandhausen.
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 That is meant with the new license, which of course is a free license, in the case of folksong lyrics variant "Torjäger aus Kurpfalz" free for the people of Sandhausen who love their soccer club, and free for a maybe worldwide fanbase that exists beyond Sandhausen's territory since the club had been 10 years in the second league, not long ago. The license shall empower creativity in non-commercial fan lyrics creation, beyond the "copy-paste and change a little" idea that IMHO belongs to the past, to have a future of more genuine own fan songs of any fanbase of a certain set of people (most time sports teams). A good mixture of traditional fan chants and new more specific fan songs is what I imagine as a good idea to avoid annoyment about missing more specific works of specific fanbases!
-"fanbase" in this text means the whole set of fans of a certain set of people. The set of people is loved by its fans which adore or simply prefer exactly that set of people in a certain context, for example sports. The adored or prefered set of people can be one person or a whole club of people consisting of many people. The license text speaks of "fans and friends of ..." for not excluding the latter :-)
+"fanbase" in this text means the whole set of fans of a certain set of people. The set of people is loved by its fans which adore or simply prefer exactly that set of people in a certain context, for example sports. The adored or prefered set of people can be one person or a whole club of people consisting of many people. The license text speaks of "fans and friends of ..." for wide-heartedly not excluding the latter :-)
   [[User:Uwe Kulick|Uwe Kulick]] ([[User talk:Uwe Kulick|talk]]) 16:19, 21 May 2026 (CEST)

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 The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over by other clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of thar repertoire it is a bit annoying
-A Fan Domain License wants to preserve original own fan songs of a fanbase for the use of this group of people. In [[Talk:Der Jäger aus Kurpfalz]] I give a link to the download of the first F-DL-licensed original work, a text variation of a Kurpfalz heritage folksong which itself is public domain by age, but text variations might also have the character of a work. The new license is made to encourage members of a fanbase to sing the text variant specifically written for that fanbase with no fear to violate copyright! An it shall encourage fanbases of other clubs in Kurpfalz not to take Sandhausen's song variant, but, if they are jealous on the idea to rewrite the famous Kurpfalz song, they should better start with rewriting the text of "Jäger aus Kurpfalz" from scratch and not simply copy Sandhausen's text variant by replacing just the club name. The "heja, heja" is specifically Sandhausen tradition and should be respected, and other details of the new text are too much sandhausen-linked, worth to preserve the text variation for the one fanbase of SV Sandhausen.
+A Fan Domain License wants to preserve original own fan songs of a fanbase for the use of this group of people. In [[Talk:Der Jäger aus Kurpfalz]] I give a link to the download of the first F-DL-licensed original work, a text variation of the Kurpfalz heritage folksong "Ein Jäger aus Kurpfalz" which itself is public domain by age, but text variations might also have the character of a work. The new license is made to encourage members of a fanbase to sing the text variant specifically written for that fanbase with no fear to violate copyright! An it shall encourage fanbases of other clubs in Kurpfalz not to take Sandhausen's song variant, but, if they are jealous on the idea to rewrite the famous Kurpfalz song, they should better start with rewriting the text of "Jäger aus Kurpfalz" from scratch instead of simply copying Sandhausen's text variant by replacing just the club name. The "heja, heja" is specifically Sandhausen tradition and should be respected, and other details of the new text are too much sandhausen-linked, worth to preserve the text variation for the one fanbase of SV Sandhausen.
-That is meant with the new license, which of course is a free license, in the case of folksong lyrics variant "Torjäger aus Kurpfalz" free for the people of Sandhausen who love their soccer club, and free for a maybe worldwide fanbase that exists beyond Sandhausen's territory since the club had been 10 years in the second league, not long ago. The license shall empower creativity in non-commercial fan lyrics creation, beyond the "copy-paste and change a little" idea that IMHO belongs to the past, to have a future of more genuine own fan songs of any fanbases of a set of people. A good mixture of traditional fan chants and new more specific fan songs is what I imagine a good idea, to avoid annoyment about missing more specific works of specific fanbases!
+That is meant with the new license, which of course is a free license, in the case of folksong lyrics variant "Torjäger aus Kurpfalz" free for the people of Sandhausen who love their soccer club, and free for a maybe worldwide fanbase that exists beyond Sandhausen's territory since the club had been 10 years in the second league, not long ago. The license shall empower creativity in non-commercial fan lyrics creation, beyond the "copy-paste and change a little" idea that IMHO belongs to the past, to have a future of more genuine own fan songs of any fanbase of a certain set of people (most time sports teams). A good mixture of traditional fan chants and new more specific fan songs is what I imagine as a good idea to avoid annoyment about missing more specific works of specific fanbases!
-[[User:Free Fan|Free Fan]] ([[User talk:Free Fan|talk]]) 15:54, 21 May 2026 (CEST)
+"fanbase" in this text means the whole set of fans of a certain set of people. The set of people is loved by its fans which adore or simply prefer exactly that set of people in a certain context, for example sports. The adored or prefered set of people can be one person or a whole club of people consisting of many people. The license text speaks of "fans and friends of ..." for not excluding the latter :-)

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 == Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture ==
-The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over fbyother clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of thar repertoire it is a bit annoying
+The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over by other clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of thar repertoire it is a bit annoying
 A Fan Domain License wants to preserve original own fan songs of a fanbase for the use of this group of people. In [[Talk:Der Jäger aus Kurpfalz]] I give a link to the download of the first F-DL-licensed original work, a text variation of a Kurpfalz heritage folksong which itself is public domain by age, but text variations might also have the character of a work. The new license is made to encourage members of a fanbase to sing the text variant specifically written for that fanbase with no fear to violate copyright! An it shall encourage fanbases of other clubs in Kurpfalz not to take Sandhausen's song variant, but, if they are jealous on the idea to rewrite the famous Kurpfalz song, they should better start with rewriting the text of "Jäger aus Kurpfalz" from scratch and not simply copy Sandhausen's text variant by replacing just the club name. The "heja, heja" is specifically Sandhausen tradition and should be respected, and other details of the new text are too much sandhausen-linked, worth to preserve the text variation for the one fanbase of SV Sandhausen.

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	To me, this doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t it be nice if people spread and sing this song for your club, even if they are not fans? -- [[User:Sloyment\|Sloyment]] ([[User talk:Sloyment\|talk]]) 02:36, 21 May 2026 (CEST)		To me, this doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t it be nice if people spread and sing this song for your club, even if they are not fans? -- [[User:Sloyment\|Sloyment]] ([[User talk:Sloyment\|talk]]) 02:36, 21 May 2026 (CEST)
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		+	== Fan-Domain license, the sensitive free license for fan culture ==
		+	The aspect of fan culture gives that license sense! Fan fantasy is limited, and the Kurpfalz region has several great names in soccer biz: Sandhausen at first, but maybe others think that their odd teams come first: Hoffenheim, Walldorf, Mannheim. There is a set of fan chants used by Sandhausen's fan block. Some of these chants are taken over by other fanbases for their favourite soccer club. Some of Sandhausen's chants are taken taken over fbyother clubs from Sandhausen's fanbase. Thus only the name of the soccer club is exchanged in the text. For the critical listening fan of thar repertoire it is a bit annoying
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		+	A Fan Domain License wants to preserve original own fan songs of a fanbase for the use of this group of people. In [[Talk:Der Jäger aus Kurpfalz]] I give a link to the download of the first F-DL-licensed original work, a text variation of a Kurpfalz heritage folksong which itself is public domain by age, but text variations might also have the character of a work. The new license is made to encourage members of a fanbase to sing the text variant specifically written for that fanbase with no fear to violate copyright! An it shall encourage fanbases of other clubs in Kurpfalz not to take Sandhausen's song variant, but, if they are jealous on the idea to rewrite the famous Kurpfalz song, they should better start with rewriting the text of "Jäger aus Kurpfalz" from scratch and not simply copy Sandhausen's text variant by replacing just the club name. The "heja, heja" is specifically Sandhausen tradition and should be respected, and other details of the new text are too much sandhausen-linked, worth to preserve the text variation for the one fanbase of SV Sandhausen.
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		+	That is meant with the new license, which of course is a free license, in the case of folksong lyrics variant "Torjäger aus Kurpfalz" free for the people of Sandhausen who love their soccer club, and free for a maybe worldwide fanbase that exists beyond Sandhausen's territory since the club had been 10 years in the second league, not long ago. The license shall empower creativity in non-commercial fan lyrics creation, beyond the "copy-paste and change a little" idea that IMHO belongs to the past, to have a future of more genuine own fan songs of any fanbases of a set of people. A good mixture of traditional fan chants and new more specific fan songs is what I imagine a good idea, to avoid annoyment about missing more specific works of specific fanbases!
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		+	[[User:Free Fan\|Free Fan]] ([[User talk:Free Fan\|talk]]) 15:54, 21 May 2026 (CEST)